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Bio I'm NightSpeakers, a British (though not the best time to say this...) FANDOM user. I see you've come upon the unfortunate event of stumbling upon my userspace - pity yourself. I reccommend getting off as quickly as possible.
Favourite books: *His Dark Materials (and anything to do with it) *The Handmaid's Tale *Ali Sparkes's books (The Shapeshifter, Night Speakers)
Favourite TV shows: *Years and Years (BBC) *His Dark Materials (BBC) *Mrs Wilson (BBC) *Doctor Who (BBC - especially S4 - David Tennant and Catherine Tate are amazing) *Call My Agent/Dix Pour Cent (Canal+) *End of the _______ world (Channel 4) *The Accident (Channel 4) *AbFab (BBC) *The Vicar of Dibley (BBC) *French and Saunders (BBC) *'Allo 'Allo! (BBC) *Noughts + Crosses (BBC) *Merlin (BBC) *There She Goes (BBC)
Other interests: Enjoys looking at ancient languages and cultures (Latin & Ancient Greek).
Very boring life. Most of the time. Talks to self, a lot. Fussy about grammar and spelling - it effects me!
Hi there! I'm NightSpeakers, one of the admins on the wiki.
I've made 10,110 edits since I joined this wiki on the 7th August 2018! Don't hesitate to leave a message, whether it be about one of my contributions, if you want something done with my bot or if you have a question! Some links:
Hi again! Wanted to make sure you saw this. There's a His Dark Materials virtual panel scheduled for SDCC that anyone is free to watch live this Thursday at 1:00pm PT. It might (hopefully!) reveal some fun stuff about the series. Do you think you'll catch it?
Yes! Very excited (and at least it's at an earlier time this year - it was done at midnight last year in the UK :/) and glad it'll be streaming live. Seems like it definitely will contain a 'glimpse' of Series 2 - whatever that may suggest - as per this Tweet, hopefully a full-blown trailer like last year... and perhaps a release date!
Definitely won't be doing anything at 9 in the evening, I'll be there!
I noticed that too, it's on the shorter side! The other panels I've checked are generally a full hour, one was longer. But it's also a generally better panel than the others, in terms of content and pacing. I actually wonder if it's slightly edited for tighter pacing? That could account for the shorter time of it.
Hello! I'm Kylara, and I'll be taking over as your Wiki Manager, since Mandy has been promoted to Community Manager. Just like Mandy, I'm here to help, so feel free to reach out and let me know if you have any questions!
I'm here to check in to see how things are going, and I want to make sure that you catch these important Fandom updates.
The Unified Community Platform (UCP) is coming this year, which means that all Fandom Wikis will be getting some much-needed renovations (and new features!) as we move to an upgraded version of MediaWiki. Check out the Staff blog post UCP: The Vision, Purpose, and Process for information on the roll out plan, which will come out this year in stages.
Thanks for the update - we'll probably need help with certain eleents of the transition so it's great to know you're here! Since Mandy's left, I do have a few questions (if you don't mind answering them):
Mandy was great at design however, with Series 2 of the TV series coming out this year, the background of the wiki will need an update (there's a main character that's not on there) - is this something you'd be able to help with or would we have to contact Mandy for the original picture? (or do your strengths lie elsewhere e.g. code?) There are also a few projects that we didn't get to finish with Mandy (a new home page and upgraded infoboxes) - in the coming months, would you be able to help with that?
uCP certainly looks exiting - do you think it's likely that the HDM Wiki will be one of the first few thousand to transfer or are staff looking at smaller/larger wikis?
Thanks and I'm looking forward to working with you!
I'll be happy to help with all of those things. With a new season coming out, I hope we get some nice new images to work with and maybe create a new background with those. For reference, which characters would you especially like to see represented in the background image?
I haven't gotten any word about which wikis will be in the first group transferred over. It's likely that no one knows yet because it probably hasn't been decided. Staff is looking at all sorts of wikis though, both big and small, so nothing's ruled out.
All right, let's keep our eyes out for any new images from HBO that we could use, especially for John Perry since I think we only have that tiny shot of him for now. When we get closer to the premiere date, which I'm guessing will be in the fall, we'll hopefully start getting some good promotional material and character shots that we can use.
You also mentioned a new main page and upgraded infoboxes. Is there something particular that you would you like changed for them?
Definitely, I'm assuming the BBC will be releasing the first trailer in the next 2/3 months and there'll hopefully be some great shots there! COVID-19 dependent, it should be coming out autumn/winter this year but with Andrew Scott being quite a big name after Fleabag, I'm guessing there'll be a lot of him in the trailers!
Yes, we talked about it on this thread - Mandy mainly had the ideas so to save you the trouble:
"For infoboxes, I'd mostly like to improve the design since the default Europa theme is kinda clunky and boring. Again, something that is easier for me to show you than explain. But yes it is definitely wise and helpful to include the actors on the bottom of the infoboxes for the film/TV characters. I was actually going to mention that to you, so I'm glad it's something you've already considered."
"Lastly comes the home page, and I have the exact same concerns as you. Right now it does not follow best practices and the entire thing needs to be redesigned imo. The slider needs to go. The trailer can be moved to a featured video section and the new book cover will be shown in the books thumbnail gallery that I will create. It's also important that a character gallery is added to the home page as well, since that's what most people come looking for. It is less important for locations and species to be featured, as those should go in the nav, and Fandom is trying to take a "simpler is better" approach with main pages now, since those are proven to be the most successful. I will of course add more info about the TV series in the introduction, and yes any images of text as opposed to actual text are not recommended. That GOT Wiki template is also a no-go. Anything tab-like where links are hidden by a click should be totally avoided. A news feed will definitely be added as well. I understand you like the Saw Wiki main page, but it currently does not follow best practices so I have to redo the entire thing this week. Most main pages I do these days all follow the structure highly suggested by Fandom that was made by Shawn (he's the design god). If you want, you can view a few examples of it that I made: Power Wiki • John Wicki • Arcadia Oaks-pedia. That's the general structure I'd like to follow when making a main page here, since it is the most modern and successful. Let me know what you think."
I (along with staff) started to work on the main page but there still are aspects that might want updating (the introduction should explain more - I can work on that, the overall design needs to be simpler, the tabber should be removed, the layout needs to work better for logged-out users, the slider needs to go, and the mobile main page could be better - something I'm aiming to work on). Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly what ideas Mandy was going to show us but perhaps you can see what she was suggesting?
Thanks, I see where Mandy was going with this and I can definitely pick that up. I don't typically use test wikis, so if it's all right with you, I can implement some quick changes to start and we can go from there?
For the infoboxes, I would like to do the following to start:
Basically just make it less clunky looking by reducing the excessive default spacing
For the main page, I would like to do the following to start:
Rewrite the top section
Remove the slider
Remove the tabs in the book section, so the books are all visible
Thanks! So I pretty much did just that for now. The CSS has kicked in, so you should see that the infoboxes have better spacing. For the top of the main page, I took the summary from the first novel's back cover, then added an image up there, removed the slider, and the books are now arranged in a single gallery without tabs. Nothing drastic, but good for SEO and I hope you like it!
Why did you remove Lee's age? It's only logical that he is 59 or possibly 60, just going by mathematics. Lyra's birth year and age, the date Lee met Iorek and his age at the time. That should comes out to 59-60.
EDIT: Nevermind, I've seen the argument over the year being 1962.
EDIT 2: I FOUND THE AGE BIT! Last page of Once Upon a Time in the North: "He'd learned his lesson; he looked after it well for the rest of his life, and thirty-five years later, the Winchester was in his hands when he died." This line directly states that Lee Scoresby died 35 years after the events of the short story. 24+35=59.
Yeah, the dates in Lyra's world are really annoying and it's something I'll probably look around to cleaning up on the wiki in the new year :P...perhaps we'll get a solid date in the next book. Thanks for asking anyway and for being on the wiki so long!
Thanks for correcting that for me - I missed it when I altered the link to contain the whole word. I've just tweaked it again; I've noticed a lot of plurals links don't have the "s" included as part of the link in the editor. Just in case you didn't know, you can sourcecode it like so: [[Spectre|Spectres]] to show the plural without the link being broken :) You can also do it in the normal editor by writing the whole word and then changing the hyperlink text, but I'm guessing you know that bit :D
Thanks again! And yeah... I feel you on the recent election -_-
Hey NightSpeakers! I noticed that an anonymous user recently changed some of the infoboxes from adaption to adaptation. I notice both words are used throughout the wiki. I think we should come to a consensus on which one to use, then it'd be awesome if you could use your bot to correct all mentions of the word to the agreed upon version. Any preference on which one we use? I'm personally more used to the word adaptation but perhaps adaption is the more common use in England?
On that topic, it might be best to switch the order we put them in on infoboxes so the TV adaptation always comes first, before the film, seeing as we have a lot more TV images now & it's what most people are looking for. Also, do you still disagree on adding the actors to the bottom of the infoboxes - Mandy's said it'd be a good idea...and people will definitely be searching for that info now! Happy thanksgiving btw!
I'm still pretty content having the film adaptation come first for those characters that do appear in both, just because the film adaptation seems to have cast closer to the books' descriptions of the characters. If you feel really strongly about it, we can ask fellow admins to break up the tie (I'm cool going with whatever consensus). And yes, I'm totally cool with adding the actors to the bottom of the infoboxes! Did you want me to look into implementing that? Or did Mandy already offer to do so?
My problem is fewer people will recognise them in categories and on search pages. When clicking on the navigation bar at the top and having a quick glance at the page, not finding the image related to the TV series first could turn people away from the page as they don't recognise the name. Especially seeing as our wordmark, header background and the main wiki background are all about the series, I think it would make sense to let the TV series first. Of course, it's not huge :) but I think we should consider relaxing media from the film and start making sure we show new readers the much better series. Another admin's opinion would be nice and I'd be happy to follow either away too!
I believe we had a brief discussion of it on the infobox talk page - Mandy backed it on the design thread although I think it's something we should do (especially after all she's done with the theme) - perhaps it would be best to add this with the adaption image switch around, should we decide to do that. :)
Okay, I guess I can relax my opinion on the TV series images. If you'd like to make the switch, I'll back the decision! You're right about the whole recognizing character images bit haha. Can your bot do that or would we need to go around manually doing it?
Thanks! Definitely something we'd need to do manually (though I might simply log into my bot account, whilst editing manually, so the edits doesn't appear in recentchanges). Special:TagsReport can help identify the pages with galleries too.
Hey, just so you know, I've already given Mandy my permission to update the wordmark/theme and background of the wiki, just waiting on your word! Also, for the main page, do you think we should perhaps make the spoiler warning a bit more prominent to people new to the wiki? OR is it pretty self-explanatory? Also, the countdowns for the episodes.. are those going to be there 24/7 until all the episodes have aired? I just don't think they're the prettiest countdowns. Maybe we could design a better template for them :) I'll work on a prototype
Yep - I'm definitely behind it! Hopefully that & the URL will be updated for tonight! For the warning, how were you thinking of making it more noticeable? Moving position? Adding an outline? I'd probably agree to moving it somewhere else as, for logged-out users, an ad covers the right column, pushing down the text so I agree on that. The countdowns will be there 24/7 (and will probably be used again next year and for TBoD3) and they definitely need a touch-up!
Also, happy watching for tonight! I hope you enjoy it :)
Hi there! How are you? I'm part of the FANDOM staff, and in preparation for the upcoming HDM series, I was wondering if you would mind if I made a few minor main page updates? Just adding a video section, maybe some new headers, a social media section, or anything else you'd have in mind!
Let me know what you think or if you prefer it as is!
Hi! Thanks for getting in touch! This is definitely something we need (and I'm sure the other admins agree). I discussed this 2+ months ago with out WM, Idekmandy, and she's promised to do a full design make-over (theme, wordmark, home page and more) before the series premieres - see here - but I'm not sure if she's even started a test wiki yet. I've jotted down quite a few ideas on that thread that might give you some more ideas - although we already have a social media space, perhaps you're thinking of making it more prominent?
I'm definitely behind it, however, it would probably be better if you talked to Mandy about it (she might have a few ideas to contribute, she might have already fully designed it or might be planning to do it herself, not wanting to have to undo your edits - no matter how minor - that you've spent precious time on when she gets round to designing the wiki)!
P.S. I've got a few concerns/requests about other things on FANDOM to do with the TV series. I'm not sure if you'll be able to do anything about them, but perhaps you'll be able to speak to someone who can:
On the FANDOM main page, HDM is listed however the image is quite boring, definitely not eye-catching and something the ordinary viewer will probably skip across. Also, the character, Lee Scoresby (who is the character in that photo), won't appear until at least episode 4. The photo was added a few months ago and there's been two posters that have been released since then which include a lot more of the characters and are much more eye-catching. Perhaps you'll be able to change them? Posters: here and here
I emailed staff about this over a month ago but there hasn't been any change and I doubt there will be in the next six days. The picture for the wiki on the app is of the main character, Lyra, from the 2007 film which very few people will be looking for and not very many will even recognise. Perhaps you'll be able to update this photo to one of Dafne Keen, the new Lyra, or even this one of Iorek, one of the fan-favourites.
This is out of interest, have you been able to give official wiki status to any wikis related to BBC shows (or, even more likely, HBO shows). It would be great to become an official wiki but I'd like to know if it's happened before with similar wikis.
When searching up the HDM wiki on other wikis, on the side of the serach results, below the wiki's image, there's a description of the wiki has no mention of the TV series. I can't see anyway to change this text - can you help with that?
Thanks for asking around! Although, I am a bit confused by this - for 4, the text on the mobile main page was updated sometime in January so I can't imagine it's a caching issue. As for 2, I can't see an option on it anywhere on the mobile main page - the wiki was added to the FANDOM app around Autumn last year and I think the app team must have made the image (they've cut the background from an image of Lyra) and I'm pretty certain none of the admins back then did it, the image doesn't appear at all on Special:Images or on the mobile main page!
Sorry for the delay!! I was out of town for a few days! OK checking back in... so for your requests, I asked Idekmandy about it- she sent a request for #2 to the design team, let's wait for a follow up from her about that.
4- she's also unsure, so she's asking someone who might know today and we will see if we hear bacK!
Also talked to her about the main page-- she gave me the go ahead to make a few edits. I'll try to update them today. Once I do, I welcome any and all feedback so if you want anything changed or added definitely let me know!
OK I made a few updates to the main page :) Let me know what you think! Any sections you would like added? I kept it pretty much the same except for a new video section, new headers, and a bit more organization.
One thought is for the slider- there are two video links in there but now that there is a video section, perhaps there is another part of the wiki you'd like to highlight?
Love it! Thanks so much - the headers are definitely better and I really like the new boxes around the images <3! A couple of queries:
The footer - we removed recently the literature footer from the wiki as it seems that those programs have been retired and are no longer updated (although perhaps they are being revived?). If that is something that should stay, could you fix the link from 'Want your community included? See how.' - the link is broken which doesn't look good on the home page - it goes to the entertainment wiki rather than the television wiki!
Videos - is it necessary to include the description that they have on Youtube on the videos (with lots of links to other sites and some characters that make the page look weird, like hashtags) or can I revert those to the smaller description that sometimes provides a better description of the file?
Mobile - is there any way that it can be optimised for mobile? When using the mercury skin, the bottom part (Twitter, Poll, Discussions and TV footer) don't really work.
Yep, I'll update the slider shortly! I'll see if I can think of anything else but certainly nothing springs to mind at the moment! :)
The footer- you make a good point, I think they are edited at the discretion of staff. I deleted the outdated links. If this is something you don't think is necessary, I can absolutely delete it! just let me know :)
Videos- unfortunately the wiki automatically pulls the title of the videos and puts them below the video (perhaps there is code to delete this but I"m not sure how). However- you can change the file name by clicking on the video and clicking "rename". Then whatever you name it as will show up. Let me know if you need help with this part.
Mobile-- the main page can only be edited for mobile by admins, so unfortunately I don't have access even with some staff rights! Here is a help page for editing or if it seems confusing, maybe I can walk you through it.
For this, I think I probably should update the mobile main page. But here, when you click 'view more' and scroll down, it doesn't look very neat - is there any way to hide some of those templates/clean them up?
No problem, just deleted - if another section comes to mind let me know!
Ahh I see now- I just fixed the description.
The view more section pulls automatically from the main page slider- so you could either change the slider, or perhaps there is another way to edit the mobile main page? I can't see the editing section to check it out unfortunately because I don't have the admin rights!
Yes, definitely. I'll start that shortly! Thanks - I'll take a look at that now! I assume the new topic has something to do with meetings between users to discuss the wiki xD - although we all edit around the clock so it might be a bit tricky to implement although I think it's definitely something we should try!
Done! Something I've been meaning to tell you for a while now: FANDOM actually put HDM in a spotlight on their front page a few months ago under Television (which we must have missed). They had actually used this image from the film so I alerted them a month or so ago to change it (and suggested the image of Iorek in his armour). However, staff didn't listen and chose that (reasonable) image of Lee which is what there is now - but at least we're on the home page!
I've also alerted them about changing the image used on the app (currently it's Dakota) although this hasn't been updated yet.
I've been looking over our protection policy recently and I think there are a few issues with it. Firstly, the sky blue lock should completely go - it's meant to go on pages that can't be created. However, if the page hasn't been created, there's no way we can put it on the page! The move protected might also want to go because we're unlikely to use it (there are a few pages that are, quite rightly, move protected). It should be pretty obvious we've stopped the page from being moved and is something most readers won't be interested in.